Social Media Money System and What They Don’t Tell You..

This is NOT a Social Media Money System Review…I am not selling it…This is for conversational purposes only…
So, I have recieved an email or two or three from virtually a who’s-who list of gurus including the stompernet team, Mike Filsaime, and Frank Kern. The cost of the system is $997 (low end) and upwards of $3,000 for the whole kit and kaboodle. It is run by Perry Belcher and Ryan Deiss and is called the Social Media Money System.
My question is this….are these kinds of things (social media) huge time sinks, huge time-wasters or actually profitable FOR THE AVERAGE MARKETER? And should you take something like twitter and add it to your marketing plan?
I should start this rant with the fact that I am not a fan of social marketing media. Actually, I am a fan of social media….I just don’t see social media as a good tool for marketing, outside of branding…. I don’t think it is a good way to market. And I think that the ones that do so ‘en masse’ are one step above spammers. I also think that your nameless twitter followers, facebook fans and YouTube subscribers aren’t as interested in your offers as most would think. I know I’m not.
I rarely “Tweet” and don’t follow everyone that follows me. Personally, I think it is a complete waste of time IF you are a no-name marketer trying to market products….If you have the name equity of being Frank Kern, Ashton Kutcher, or CNN then that is a complete different story. Then again, most of these guys don’t follow just anyone.
The funniest thing happens whenever I start posting on forums. I post and then next thing I know, I get several follows that very same day. In fact, the amount of new “follows” seems to be indicative of how often I post on forums.
This would be cool, a big ego boost…whatever…except that after a couple days, if I don’t follow these guys back, I get promptly “unfollowed”…
The funnier part of this is that the same people who “unfollowed” me, will reconsider the next week and follow me again….then unfollow me when I don’t follow them back….again….it is like the groundhog day for twitter marketers…
I call it the marketing twitter carousel.
Okay, so what is the big deal?
Call me ignorant, stupid, cynical or whatever, but I find most of the marketers who market to other marketers on twitter very desperate. ?Here is the strategy most follow and for whatever reason, people think that this works….
- Get a twitter account….
- Add your website and picture in your profile…if you are adept at design make your template unique…
- Make 5-10 tweets immediately…find some cheesy quotes or random links to generic information…
- Do a search on twitter for whatever market you are planning to market to (most likely the MMO niche)…
- Start following these people but do so slowly at first….(don’t want to trip Twitter’s spam detector)
- After a day or two, delete anyone who isn’t following you back…
- Repeat the process until you cross the 2,000 follower threshhold.
- Rinse and repeat until you have 100,000 followers….
This would be okay IF the people who are following actually are interested in what you have to say (they aren’t). In reality, chances are great that the same people who are following you are doing the exact same thing that you are doing…getting the same advice and calling this a business plan for their internet marketing.
So, at the end of the day, what do you have?…..
You have 2,000+ marketers who don’t know you from Adam…don’t care to know you beyond hoping that you will click their link and buy something from them (which is what you are hoping that they will do as well) and have so many followers that it is virtually impossible to actually build a relationship without some serious outsourcing…
….and that is supposing that they are actually reading their twitter messsages….
I dunno…..call me cynical but unless someone can speak with reason as to why I should be viewing this differently, this is how I see it….
First some facts that aren’t “hype” that you read in most sales letters:
According to Sysomos.com,
- 15% of marketers who use twitter follow more than 2,000 people. ?Compare this to .29% of all the rest of twitter users.
- 5% of Twitter users account for 75% of all activity
- 85.3% of all Twitter users post less than one update/day
- 93.6% of users have less than 100 followers, while 92.4% follow less than 100 people..
- 21% of users have never posted a Tweet
Great…. you have 20,000 followers…or do you??
A problem that Twitter faces and the reason why you haven’t heard of the multi-billion dollar deal to buy it out is that what companies have found is Twitter has the lowest retention rates of any of the other social media mega sites.
Retention rates is something that most marketers selling social media don’t talk about. According to the NeilsonWire, 60% of twitter heads in the U.S. fail to return to Twitter the following month or from a “glass is half-full” perspective, 40% actually come back. This is a problem for twitter but as a marketer, this could make your numbers and reach look much bigger than it actually is.
I liken it to owning a list but not being able to have the advantages of the metrics when you have a list. For example, if I blast a email broadcast, I am presented with real numbers on who opens the email and if there is an action step in the email (like a URL), if they take action. This gives me a bead on how my marketing is doing, how responsive my list is, and if not, I can formulate a resolve to the problem (whether this is pruning my list or making the emails more interesting, addressing key concerns of the niche, ect..)
With twitter, you don’t get metrics, you don’t see who is passively participating with you (ie. listening), and most importantly you don’t see who have moved on. Instead, you get a puff chesting follower number that may make you feel better about yourself but won’t help with the bottom line. Once again, this is a cynical viewpoint and if anyone can prove me wrong, I encourage them to do so….
Twitter Number Crunching….why 10,000 followers doesn’t mean 10,000 followers….
Okay, so using the above retention rate numbers, your 10,000 follower list doesn’t mean 10,000 followers….it is closer to 4,000 followers. And to the novice marketer, this would sound like a good number still. I mean who wouldn’t want to have 4,000 people hanging on your every word, right?
Well, the reality is that if you are a marketer marketing to other marketers, those same followers are viewing you as a follower as well. What you have is a bunch of folks actually thinking that they are “marketing”……an exercise in masturbation would probably be more fun and worthwhile when all is said and done though.
Don’t believe me? Well, I like to look at verifiable and concrete data to help me along the way. Since you can’t see who is actually “listening” to you, and since twitter doesn’t give out those metrics, the only verifiable way to see if anyone is listening is to post a link that you can monitor for twitter activity. I would be willing to bet that most twitter marketers out there would get less than a 1% response rate…
Run the test and tell me who responds….then tell me how worthwhile twitter is for a marketing campaign….
Now, I want to say that I am not talking about tweeters that actually talk to their list. There are some that do but most are going to keep this number down to a bare minimum…no twitter list of 2,000+. Outside of outsourcing your tweets, there just isn’t a way to engage that many people.
Perry Belcher is a different breed of marketer though. He has a list of 100,000+ followers on his list. ?If you check out what he does with twitter, he practically responds to everyone who engages him. That is a ton of tweets. When watching him at work, I can’t read fast enough before he is on the next response. This is primarily why I think he outsources his work. He also probably (but haven’t verified this) has a higher response rate than the average tweet because of his level of engagement. ?For a regular marketer, this would be next to impossible to manage.
I currently follow roughly 150 people and in the event that I actually get on twitter, would have a difficult time managing this….but hey, that is me…you may be different..
I would love to hear other people’s view on this. I am cynical and suspicious of any of the new time sinks that marketers suggest as the next big thing (actually, I think the honeymoon is over although the social media money system may initiate a new round of gullible marketers toward trying to manipulate social media.)
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I agree with you wholeheartedly Leo. Twitter never made any sense to be and still doesn’t. Marketers keep talking about what a great marketing medium it is but when I ask why the say just wait and see, it is going to be big.
I can’t figure out how so many people would have so much time to read about what other people are doing. It seems to me like a big waste of time.
Don’t look for me to be tweeting any time soon.
Bingo mate!
I wouldn’t trade 1 single buyer that comes directly from Google day after day and buys/clicks (earns me money) for 10.000 twitter followers. You are damn right, besides branding, social media traffic is worthless. “Gurus” use it just because there are a lot of beginners out there and some of them convert.
Nice post, really well said. If you want some kind of conversions from Social sites you need to spam the hell out of it; otherwise, it’s just a waste of time =)
Cheers,
Ion
Great post. It made me laugh when I got to the bottom of the post and saw the ‘tweet this’ button
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Twitter is best for marketing if you are selling a product that marketers would be interested in buying, as I think that most people that are actively using twitter are in most cases people with their own websites or products trying to market and get more traffic, and sometimes they do happen to be reading their stream when you tweet, so you just have to tweet a lot as you mentioned if you want to get people clicking your links and profile. I do think there are much more targeted ways to advertise products than twitter though, like search engine ppc and getting people with big lists to promote your affiliate products, but twitter is an ‘outpost’ that every website should have.
My largest and most successful project is a genuine community site that supports a large community of enthusiasts for a particular project. I find that connecting with people through twitter is a great way to engage with people – but the key difference here is that it is obvious that I am using the tool for what it is designed for. To engage and interact with people.
As my twitter profile has risen and has headed into the 100s of followers I’ve noticed that more and more “affiliate” and “make money” wannabes are following me and I do stop to think – what are you doing?! I always check out the profiles of people who follow me and the second you look like yet another marketer I just move on.
These tools are great for people who want to use them for the intended purpose. But people aren’t stupid, they know when they are being spammed and sold to. There are many examples of big brands who have got this right (starbucks) and many that have got it wrong (ebay).
I’ve always found it telling that my biggest project is the one that I set up for love and for the users and not just to try and make some cash. It is my suspicion that those who are veering towards the latter part of the spectrum are destined to fail and will continue to purchase “make money schemes” but will always miss the one and only thing they really need. Genuine passion.
LOL – well I had to twitter that right ! I totally agree – I don’t get it particularly in MMO -its not a bad place to find interesting blogs on real niches but that’s about it!
Hey Harrison-
Yeah, I am not opposed to Twitter and social media. I actually use twitter to keep in touch with some of my friends in Memphis and elsewhere but that is primarily it. As for tweets and traffic, I have been tweeted before and a tweet is about as good as getting stumbled (which I hate) in terms of bounce rate and time of visit…at least that has been my impression. Now this blog isn’t meant for everyone so I imagine that a casual marketer might find this place a bit daunting when they arrive. Still, my experience with Twitter in relation to driving traffic to it hasn’t been as rosy as some of the goober-ru’s would like you to believe.
As far as the twitter button…what can I say?….traffic that I don’t have to drive is essentially free traffic and as long as it doesn’t eat up my bandwidth, I guess it couldn’t hurt, right?
Hey, you bring up some very good points. But then again, you are using twitter like it should be used, as a community driven entity from people that are genuinely interested in what you are saying. Most don’t have that luxury and/or don’t want to put in the time to do it like that…they want the instant payoff….nothing wrong with that I suppose but it rarely happens like they want it to, right?
I agree completely on the Twitter comments. I’m quite sure the people following me mostly don’t care. It’s like a bunch of people in a group at a party and all of them are talking an nobody is listening. Yet they are talking with their eyes closed, their ears blocked, and they have no idea nobody is listening. All everyone else sees is a bunch of clowns making noise.
I have a hard time seeing the difference between tweeting and RSS. However what you say is also true for RSS feeds, email subscribers and a host of other applications.
I think if you directly incentivize someone they are far less valuable than someone who is genuinely interested in your message.
I couldn’t agree more….