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  1. Jessie

    I might have mentioned this before here (can’t remember for sure) but much of making money online is knowing what to do with your visitors once you get them. You can get them many different ways as you outline here, but if you don’t know how to sell to them then you are not going to have optimal results. I am always trying to determine if there is something I should be doing in a different way that would make me more money.

  2. Leo

    @ jessie

    Yes, you alluded to that a couple posts back I think. I think that that is why so many people like adsense….kind of takes the guess work (to an extent) of what products to suggest. For many, it is a safer option than an out and out endorsement of shady products. Somehow, they think that just because they don’t publicly state that so and so product is good absolves themselves of guilt if the product is not good. However, there are some problems with this. For one, many people even in this day and age don’t realize that a google ad is a google ad and has nothing to do with the site.

    Just 2 weeks ago, a friend of mine (who is a network marketer) told me she went to a site I had suggested on my site. I had no clue what she was talking about. Apparently, she mistook the adsense ad as an endorsement just because it was on my site.

    So you tell me….am I personally just as guilty of selling crap products because I have adsense on my page that happens to display crap scam based products? I don’t know and don’t really care to be honest. But personally, I would think that someone buying directly through an affiliate link is much better than making a buck with an adsense click. And if it is being viewed as an endorsement either way, I guess the affiliate link would be better.

  3. Fantastically insightful post!! Love how you break things down…will share this with my network.

    I broke the Google code back in 2004 and had, for a period of time, top 10 rankings on every keyword imaginable. Ah, those were the days! Nowadays, I think mixing in a little bit of everything is the key for 2010 success.

  4. Jessie

    You are totally right about people not knowing that Adsense is Adsense and that it is not associated with your site. For that reason, I am 100% guilt free.

    Honestly, I make money because people are stupid, uninformed, uninterested, don’t pay attention, and really don’t care about what they are looking at online and where it is coming from. I tell my friends and new aquaintences all the time what I do and I am astounded at the total lack of knowledge. Many (most?) people have no clue that the ads on the right hand side of Google search and maybe at the very top, are advertisements that someone is paying for. Not my problem if they don’t open their eyes and pay attention.

  5. Just want to ask your personal opinion Leo, which camp then is the most efficient and effective for today’s trend of making money online?

    That’s because adsense earnings degenerate as the saturation of market goes, and likewise Internet Marketing has 90% casualties and 10% success rate, while the social ones are different with different people.

    What would you have recommended for a young startup?

  6. Hi Leo

    Any thoughts yet on Google’s recent announcement about Real Time Search Results and what impact it may have on rankings and potentially how this may help or hurt a person’s Google Adsense income?

  7. Leo

    @ Barbara

    Thanks. I appreciate the support. That is the problem with chasing SEO sometimes, right? You find what works and never know if what works today will work tomorrow.

  8. Leo

    @ Jonathon

    I would recommend whatever works for you. I know that isn’t a fair answer but it is what it is and different markets take different strategies. The one thing I do know is that the more visible your sites are online, the more chances you have at making money. It is partially why I think authority sites work best. However, there is usually a dip (to use Seth Godin’s words) that is too painful for many people to get through.

    Internet marketing is 90% casualties and you should be happy about that. That makes the other 10% “scarce” or a commodity in their markets. Your key is to find out how those 10% made it and duplicate their success with your own twist.

  9. Leo

    @ Darrell

    No opinion as of yet. Chances are that Google will favor those that it trusts (provided that the search term is competitive) and not favor those it doesn’t. I am not sure how the algo will factor the real time results but I can tell you this. Just like universal search, real time search will give you yet another weapon to be seen and that is not a bad thing.

    As an online marketer, you look for “ins” and take them as they come. I am not saying to be reactive necessarily but in the case of Google, you never know where the pieces will fall when they implement something new. I imagine if you are a trend marketer, this will be an easy opportunity to rank for something that you would otherwise have to rely on regular search.

    And if you are Howie Schartz, you are thinking about how to game it to the point where all the real time search results are yours. It is all just a matter of figuring out how they are deeming the most important.

  10. Ok thanks Leo

    I also agree, its still going to be testing out how this new change impacts our SEO and internet marketing activities.

    Bottom line, don’t wait for your competitors to figure it out first. Get out there and start doing your own testing, writing and posting content to see what happens.

    Cheers

  11. Leo,
    I didn’t take this post as a rant at all.
    It seemed to me as though you are trying to make people really think about what they are doing if they want to make money online. I believe you are right about this just being another direct marketing path which is why so many people think a website is a ticket to the good life. The guys who used to have magazine ads standing in front of their Rolls and saying they will show you have to be rich if you send them $10 moved to the internet quickly and really set the tone. The people who really are getting rich online realize that it is no different than selling products was back at the beginning of the twentieth century. As you said, find something people want and give it to them, or help them to see how much they “need” it.
    I really appreciate how you focus on the big picture and looking at this like a marketer instead of an SEO or Social Media person. We need to not think the tools are the end result. We only use the tools to get what is the end result which is running a business that makes us money.
    I hope you eventually get this realization beat into my head. :-)

  12. Hey Leo,

    Just discovered you after I saw Lissie recommending you over at Ben’s forum. Glad I did!

    Great post and you are so right about Griz being a social blogger without wanting or trying to be one. LOL

    Will be watching your posts with much interest from now on.

    Tracey

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    Oh, You can also do with with a social website……like Grizzly’s. And yes, while grizzly does make money thanks largely to his organic listing, his site is the epitome of the perfect social blog…..in effect, he has a list without having a list….the Ultimate list….he has people who hang on his every word and would probably drink pee-pee if he told them that it would make them money and he engages them in a way that makes them feel like they too can earn a living online.

    It looks like not all social traffic is equal. There is social traffic that just wants to be entertained (and won’t make you money), then there is social traffic that wants to learn to do something (who can be monetized if you develop authority in their eyes and recommend a product). In IM, this kind of monetizable social traffic is exemplified by the repeat visitors to Grizzly’s blogs, Darren Rowse and Brian Clarke. I used to visit the latter two blogs quite often (and even bought some of the products they recommended). Eventually, I stopped visiting their blogs – I had learned what I needed to learn, they started repeating themselves and in Brian Clarke’s case he started writing less meaty posts as well as outsourcing his posts. And this is another moral to the story – as long as you continue providing value to your visitor, he/she will continue coming back.

  14. I swear this is all your fault Leo – I have now bought a marketing book! A real hard copy book about how to sell LOL At a time when I am trying to pack up and move country (will send you the bill for the excess luggage!).

    I started online to make money – I knew it wouldn’t be easy – but it took me over a year to figure out that I had to sell stuff to make money – I kid you not – I wasn’t just unaware of marketing I was totally anti-it – I can naturally go months without buying anything becyond the necessities (gin, chocolate) – so I didn’t understand that for some people shopping is a lifestyle. Oddly I found that people bought from me because they trusted me because I had been open about my incompetence – then I figured out that the people I bought from were the people that I trusted – like duh – but it was a big one for me!

    I’m intrigued about selling a real product outside of the MMO sector – I just have to find out more about using PPC to figure out the demand.

    But thanks – you blend marketing with SEO in a way that makes a lot of sense to those of us who have never really “got” marketing.

  15. Leo

    @ Lis

    Sorry about that Lis. Once you start reading, you will be hooked, provided your first marketing book isn’t “dry”. And yes, a ‘real’ product is the way to go. You would be absolutely amazed at the things that sell out there. Ex. A buddy of mine made 1.5 mil last year selling cable wire online. I kid you not. How sexy is that?

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