19 Responses to “Keyword Research Tools Give Accurate Traffic Volume? I Don’t think so…”

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  1. JohnM

    Leo, what math are you using in this statement? I just may be sleepy but I don't see the point here… Google claims that this search term got searched for 843,000 last month. Using the leaked AOL data from a few years ago that estimates a #1 ranking gets roughly 40.1% of the search volume, we can see that the actual traffic volume is off by nearly 15,000 searches.

  2. Jim

    I think you're right on the mark here Leo. In my opinion Wordtracker provides the most accurate info about keywords period. The fact you can check daily numbers is a great way to narrow in on your target.
    I have not used Compete but have been considering running some PPC there.

    But I agree, you should always get as much information from as many sources as possible and then err on the side of caution. Be conservative with your estimates and run the low side and hope to be proven wrong. More traffic will be a good surprise.

    Any PPC campaign you might run will always show discrepancies with Googles' Keyword tool. However, what I find really interesting is the breakout from AOL for organic search. It is probably the same for sponsored search as well. Position 3, 4, and 5 always convert better than 1 or 2.

    Your point is well taken with regard to testing with PPC Ads and as far as I'm concerned, if you really want to make any money at all, running an ad with any PPC program, especially Yahoo and Google, to test the water is essential. It takes money to make money. Always has, always will. Only in very few instances can you fluke into the lottery win.

    Watching who is ALWAYS advertising in your niche will also give you a solid indication of the profitability of keywords you are trying to rank for. If an advertiser is always there, unless they are stupid, they are making some money.

    Great Blog, Always enjoyable and informative.

    Jim

  3. Leo

    You are right…my data is a bit off to say the least. (I work at home with a 15 month old who sometimes breaks into my stream of conscience)

    Well, according to Google, it is estimated that internet marketing gets queried 823,000 times a month last month (actually, google estimates that the average is 1 million times).

    Wikipedia just happens to be sitting on top (at least in my datacenter). If you believe that on average the #1 rankings gets roughly 40.1% of the traffic, that would be 330,000 (give or take a few thousand) that should go to wikipedia.

    Wikipedia's data shows a bleaker viewpoint of the search query data. Even if Wikipedia had a strong showing and February suddenly went from a 28 day month to a 31 day month, chances are they would be lucky to reach 25,000 searches for this keyword this month. That is less than 10% of what google's average claims….

    Also, throw in the fact that at least 10% of wikipedia traffic comes from internal links and that would lower the data even more.

    My point is that what is claimed and what is actual is a wider chasm than most people think. Just because you think that a keyword should be bringing an approximate amount doesn't necessarily mean that it will.

    Of course, 500-1,000 click throughs off of one keyword is nothing to sneeze at. But from an analytical point of view, it just goes to show that you can't put much stock into one single keyword research tool. You have to verify it through a wider net of research tools.

    Originally, I was going to introduce keyword spy into the mix (for using PPC ad campaigns as metrics for profitable keywords) but this post was starting to get bloated with information.

  4. Hi Jim, you have some nice points here. I almost always do a quick run over at keyword spy to check on PPC data. I originally was doing this for clients but have since started mining some pretty good data, keyword wise as well.

    You are absolutely on target about PPC. A lot of marketers who are trying to save money would rather chance it, put the time and effort into a site and then hope that it hits. Personally, this approach will have you with a ton of sites that aren't profitable. Of course, you could always use these sites for other things but then again, you are pouring more time than it would really be worth over the long haul (for instance, converting unprofitable sites into link farms.)

  5. organt57

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  6. hi Leo,
    Another great post. I'd never heard of compete.com. It's cool. That said, I checked a website I have and then looked at what it said the main keywords going to the site were. They had little in common with what my site's AWstats have been saying… Any thoughts on this or have you checked it?
    I also like the wiki suggestion. I didn't know about that either. VERY COOL. :)
    ~ Steve, the trade show guru
    PS. I've commented here before but your comment form doesn't remember my info. Almost all other blogs do, and it's more work to type in all my info every time (it doesn't show as a drop down either). Just thought I'd let you know. Looks like comment luv isn't working either. I think you had that. Hate to sound like a complainer or the bearer of bad news. just thought you'd want to know. ;)

  7. Leo

    Thanks Steve. As far as the keywords and the discrepancies in your personal stats…compete is only US traffic so if you are getting international visitors, it probably won't show. Besides, I am not saying that compete';s stats are perfect either. It is just another way to try to verify the numbers that you get with other keyword tools.

    It is important to realize that most of these stat counters have not-so-pure motives to give out this information. Obviously in the case of Google, they will naturally want to beef up the stats to lure in adwords folks and get them bidding on keywords. Plus, the best most tools can do is give a broad estimation of potential traffic….good for advertisers but not so good for SEO marketers who have to invest time and energy into ranking well.

    I am going to look into the problems with comment luv (which shows as active by the way in my admin panel). This blog, for the moment at least, is just a hobby of mine. Believe it or not, I do it to not only retain and log information of my current projects (theories…things that work…things that don't work) but also because I find it to be a great release after spending hours day after day doing the mundane "other" stuff. What the heck?….it is fun to me.

    Trying to fix plug-ins and other tech-y stuff…>>>>not so fun<<<< That said, I am going to look into it.

  8. hi Leo,
    Thanks for your reply! I didn't mean to trash compete.com. I think it's cool. I'm just not sure it's accurate. At least for keywords, the difference I saw was huge, and can't be explained by the country thing. I also wonder how they would get this data in the first place. Just food for though. I've read lots of people question google's numbers, and I think your idea for comparing them a good one. I don't think any of them are completely accurate, and from what you say, just how accurate or inaccurate google is is a very good question. Steve, Mr. Trade Show ~ PS. I still have to type in my name, email address, and url each time. It would be great info got saved. :)

  9. @Leo, you are absolutely right about the ridiculous volume numbers projected by these tools. Google tool for sure is more projecting the advertisers' interest. And you know what, I have an AdWords account and I cross checked the search volume projected by the external keyword tool and the internal AdWords lookup tool. For a particular keyword of mine the external one showed 12K searches where as the internal one showed 23K searches :) What say?

    As for the compete.com discussions, I hear that compete.com premium (paid) account is good. Any thoughts?

  10. Hi Ajith,

    It is funny how different those numbers can be across the board, right? As far as the premium compete.com account, I am not sure if it is all that and a box of chocolates. I do know this though…there is not one research tool that will give you a bonafide 100% accurate look-sie. That said, I doubt I would become a premium member. (I do use their credit system though to mine keywords)

  11. hi Leo,
    I just read another blog post about compete.com and thought it was too good to not link to here, though you can be the final judge of that. :)
    As I said above, I think compete.com is real cool. But I question if the keywords part is accurate. Anyway, another blogger wrote a post about compete.com reporting her number one keyword is jesus, which appears no where on her blog or in her own stats.
    http://www.all-about-content.com/2008/11/jesus-on...
    ~ Steve, Mr. Trade Show
    PS. Man, I wish the comment form below would remember my info!

  12. Hey Steve, Thanks for the link. In regards to phantom keywords, I had something similar happen to me a while back. I was ranking for an XXX rated long tail keyword that was actually getting me traffic on a particular site. I wasn&#039;t sure what this was about. It wasn&#039;t on my page or any part of my site. However, it was showing up in google&#039;s webmaster tools and was driving roughly 20 visits a day, which at the time, was about a fourth of my traffic. I should state that the theme didn&#039;t have anything to do with pornography. What was the deal?

    I started doing a little research and realized that one of my commentators had a link that was going to a page that wasn&#039;t porn but strongly hinted at it. Anyway, I deleted the comment and the keyword vanished. Pretty weird right? My hunch is that somehow keywords can come via neighborhoods that we link to, sometime erroneously. That is just a theory though. I can&#039;t figure out any other way to explain it.

    Once again, I am not stating the compete is accurate but could be used as a means to verify traffic.

    In regards to automatically saving your information in the comment box and link luv, it appears that a couple of my plug-ins may not be playing nicely with each other. I am going to try to figure that one out next week when I have a moment.

  13. im not using anything that is my problem. i guess i have to choose one of your methods or probably try all of them. thanks and this is really a good post.

  14. 1tu

    Do you ever approach keyword research from the standpoint of finding a product first and then seeing if you can find good keywords to dominate and send traffic to the offer?

  15. Leo

    No…I always look at the market and the competition (what they are offering) first. I try to get in the mind of the searcher. Why are they searching for this? What else would they buy? (possible vertical markets). Once I think I have a bead on the intent of the searcher and only then, do I start to match them up with a product.

    Of course, there are tons of ways to do this and you just need to find the way that works best for you…

  16. Hi, Leo,

    I think that you neglected one important fact. Those tools measure search volumes, not the actual clicks. The truth is that only approximately 50% of all searches result in any clicks and traffic (that´s from some Nielsen study, I can´t remember anything more).

    If google says that the term was searched 800k times a month that actually means that these 800k searches resulted in 400k clicks out of which wikipedia got its 40% (or less) which is 160k.

    I also suppose that using a search term “internet marketing” is simply wrong idea. If you were an internet marketer (I know you are:-)) even a newbie would you click the Wikipedia´s result (though being the first in Google SERP)? You know that it only gives you some general blurb on this topic. And those people who search for “internet marketing” most probably are willing to learn how to market something on the internet, which they know Wikipedia is not going to teach them.

    My opinion is that people are getting used to wikipedia to that extent that they tend to ignore its 1st SERP position results in many topics. Maybe the CTR of wikipedia´s page (first in results) is much lower than 40% due to this saturation.

    Oh, yes, btw – great content you have here…

  17. Anonymouse

    could any of the data be underestimated?
    I’ve stumbled upon an ezine out for almost 3 years and it has gotten 75k+ views, with no backlinks recorded by yahoo or google.
    the thing is, it ranks #10 now.
    I wonder if this niche is more competitive than I thought (it’s a primary keyword, but still…)
    or did the article climb up the ranks a few times.

    How would you go about finding out the exact patterns of a page for it’s rankings, or is that too analytical for keyword accuracy?

  18. Anonymouse

    I forgot to mention, the article is 300 words. I don’t know if there is any potential for long tails but….no backlinks, only 300 words and…. I’m speechless.

    According to the Big G, this phrase should only get 12000… and that’s not an even exact search.

  19. Leo

    Give me a few..I will respond to this in a sec

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