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  1. D

    Hey Leo,

    Glad your move went well. Isn’t it nice to get away from PCs. Don’t ever get an Iphone you never get away :)

    You said: “simply either grab links that are freely available from your top 20 competitors ”

    What are you talking about here.

    I analyze my competitors sites to see what kind of backlinks they have to find places to build links but the way you word it leads me to think you are referencing something else. Interested to hear more of what you were thinking.

  2. Leo

    Hey D,

    Don’t have an Iphone….got a cell roughly 5 years ago to be honest and if I could I would not have one (my wife would have a fit though). Regarding my comment…..that is exactly what I mean although I suspect that most don’t drill down deep enough to find them. Most simply search for the ones with the highest pr and dump the rest. I actually will do a full site analysis….that includes deep links on internal pages as well as internal links to try to spot what is going on and why. (I use a program called power mapper which maps out a sites complete site architecture)

    I think that Grizzly once said that if you want to rank for a keyword, all you need to do is analyze what the top guys are doing and do it better. And really….it is as easy as that. That said, most don’t have the patience or the anal rententativeness (did I just make up a new word?) to work their way through it though.

    Using Grizzly as an example, If you want to rank for “make money online”, then you should be doing a full site analysis of what Grizzly did to get there. That would include going through his site page by page…recognizing where he is getting links and how he is interconnecting his site from page to page. Back link growth is a doozie for highly competitive keywords though so the analysis has to be ongoing. The other option is to make mistakes, learn from your mistakes and slowly over time figure out what works and what doesn’t.

  3. D

    Thanks for the response Leo. Makes sense, I usually do not go into detail like you explain about for all my sites usually just for the ones that show promise.

    One other unrelated question I had is affiliate products, from some of your other posts it seems like you do fairly well with clickbank and other affiliate programs.

    That is one thing I have not had a lot of luck with, most of my income is from Adsense or web hosting customers. Obviously wanting to diversify I would like to try getting more into affiliate stuff. Clickbank seems like a good place to start since they have info products on just about everything.

    To date I have not been making that many sales with a fairly large amount of hops. Getting paid for a click just seems so much easier. Do you have any recommendations?

  4. Leo

    Yeah, I do fairly well with clickbank…..fairly being the keyword. The truth of the matter is that clickbank is typically where affiliates get their first taste of that type of marketing. I do much better with other affiliate programs that aren’t solely digital. I don’t care what anyone says. The majority of folks out there looking to buy something are more likely to purchase something real rather than an ebook (in most cases…excluding the mmo crowd).

    And while you will hear people throw around percentages for clickbank products, most of the evergreen products have terrible conversion rates. That isn’t to say you can’t make money with clickbank. You can. You just need a shitload of properties to make it work for you.

    I would encourage you to get a pepperjam account and see what else there is out there to promote if you don’t already have one. Real products make for much easier sales.

  5. Hey Leo nice to have you back and I am glad the new house is going well. Thanks for the answer above about affiliates. I am only adsense now but would like to move into affiliates soon.
    Also, I was wondering if it is worth it to do mass article submissions like UAW. This appears to me as black hat and I would think Google would know how to discount the vast majority of these links. With that said, would it be better to write three targeted Ezine Articles instead of three copies of the same article for UAW? I am trying to understand what would be the best use of my time and I really can’t say I have seen much from using UAW but I really don’t know.
    I enjoy your posts and I hope you decide to keep doing them because I always go away with new SEO ideas after reading you.
    Thanks.

  6. Leo

    Hey Andy…found you in my SPAM filter. In regards to UAW…..being trusted by google is important first and foremost. I think that Court doesn’t even include UAW articles until a couple months down the way in his plan. That being said, the better way to go (although much more time intensive) is to simply negotiate with other webmasters in your niche for in text links. These are harder to come by but are far more valuable than the typical marketing strategies in which you create your own links. Just my opinion though but that is what works better. EZA is good but you start to get into the law of diminishing returns pretty quickly.

    Oh…and UAW is black hat and is nothing more than content spam in my opinion….not saying that I wouldn’t do it though….we just need to call a spade a spade, right?

    Best use of time in regards to internet marketing….Write 1-2 posts a week and spend the rest of your time link hunting. I know that is vague but it is what it is. Of course the other option is to build a huge site. You will gain some authority without links just from the size of your site.

  7. Thanks Leo, I appreciate you input. I remember a post of Grizz’s in which he said something like the guys with the real money making websites might be laying on the beach all day but they are busy buying links the whole time to keep them on top. Linking is definitely where it is at.
    That said, I think Court is leaning toward the large site idea now which does make sense because it does seem like Google is impressed with authority.

  8. I don’t know if you know. But what do you think of me blasting a new article (like 1 week old) on buzzle or ezine with xrunner?

  9. Leo

    The only way you can tell what it does is to figure out what you article is ranking for and then blasting it to see what happens. That is the best I can advise.

  10. I find that the sites of mine that do well are the ones that build links naturally. You can only build/request so many links yourself and you will never compete with a site that is doing this naturally (tens of links vs 1000s).

    For example, my employer’s site has millions of back links. We put out a press release and it gets picked up by the agencies and the next day the main UK media sites will be linking back to us. All high PR and highly relevant.

    BTW, Well done for running the site without the need for promotion of “make money” courses/ads. I am getting more and more tired of this relentless pushing of courses to potentially vulnerable and desperate people by so called “gurus”. The problem is that the people selling them genuinely think they are doing people a favour and see no issue with it – so I don’t think it will go away any time soon. The adsense on my site does promote these – makes me think I should start blocking ads that are exploitative or just remove the ads completely!

    And finally, on the rapid link building issue, my employer launched a foreign EU based site not too long ago and we linked to it from our UK site and that of our American owner’s sites. This new startup was PR6 and ranking high within a month despite many in the industry saying this was impossible. It’s amazing what 80,000 PR6-10 links will do for you (even when not a single one was in the same language as the new site!).

    This is what us amateurs (ie my home personal projects) are competing with :(

  11. Leo

    I totally agree. I think that natural link building is the way to go but for most who are in it solely for the buck, you have the issue to making something that is linkable……hmmmmm…..creating content that is worthy of a mention….now that is something novel, right?:)

    In regards to rapid link building, I have seen some of these sites that you mention. It is amazing how quickly someone can rank for things if you have the money or resources to do it. It is part of the reason why anyone serious should have a stable of domains and sites to pull from.

    In regards to MMO and promotion- I really don’t need it. Frankly, most of the shit out there isn’t worth it and is nothing better than a time sink for those who are trying to make money. To be real honest with you, I do most of my writing offline and don’t get online as often as most would assume (I get on to upload documents and outsource stuff). In fact, most of my work day is spent offline. The internet really is boring place that wastes time when you get right down to it.

    write an article–>check email–>check fav forum–>check facebook–>play a game–>write another article–>ect…ect…

    Talk about a time sink. sheesh. I get more done by staying away.

  12. Gemini

    Hi Leo. first of all, thank you so much for your generosity to teach and guide people to the right direction of online marketing. i am learning so much.

    actually, i am in a dilemma right now whether to pursuit adsense or affiliate road. i can not make the right decision. i made money from adsense before. $1/day from my first blog which is #2 on serps right now. but, i decided to pull off my adsense bcz it seems like that topic may trigger anger to a fraction of visitors and.. you know what can happen to my adsense account. i substitute the monetization model right now into affiliate but no sales. thus, no money being made right now.

    i want to start from zero again but since i am not familiar so much with affiliate, in your opinion, with the same amount of work, which one is lucrative? affiliate or adsense?

  13. Leo

    As with anything, (and some will argue with me about this), you need volumes of traffic to make the REAL money online. If you are thinking that clickbank will get you rich with a little traffic, think again. Unless you have a list, you can expect conversion rates to be farely low in most niches. I am not poo-poohing affiliate marketing though….you just need to realize that both require essentially the same thing- targeted traffic looking for a solution to whatever problem they are having.

    As far as affiliate marketing goes, it has been my experience that being affiliated with real products online will make you more money than digital products. Once again, you have to make sure the traffic is targeted. Having a list to broadcast your offers always helps.

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