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  1. Lots of IM blogs dish out advice like they're serving a fat man at an all you can eat buffet, but very few I've seen eat what comes out of their kitchen.

    Your site Leo is firmly in the practice what you preach category, and that has to be better proof of authority than some scanned in (photoshoped) Adsense check.

    I know you've talked about this in some of your previous posts, but I think the long form article (+1000 words) really adds to the unique content you stress here. Coupled this with the fact that if you write longer than average posts then by definition they HAVE to have a unique selling point to hold a readers attention for that long.
    It seems to my eyes that the overwhelming majority of blogs on any topic seem to have "twitter length x2 posts". The ease and hence lack of uniqueness of the rapid fire post probably ties into the low barrier to entry "back ground noise" that blog must overcome in order to rise in the rankings and in the public consciousness.

    I have no data to back this up but I think that the number of natural back links you get expressed as a percentage of the number of people who read the whole article will be much higher than the "twitter x2 post" Hypothetical e.g: post length = 200 words, 80% viewers read till end, 2% convert to natural back link. post length = +1500, 50% viewers read till end, 10% convert to natural back links. The numbers should work out in your favor is my guess.

    Cheers
    Patrick

  2. Hey Patrick,

    Thanks. Yeah, there are definitely some other reasons why long content works better than a ton of short posts other than simply getting the point across.

    Case in point, long posts will less likely go into supplemental hell because they will tend to be MORE unique than shorter posts…long posts will generate MORE traffic organically because you will have more keywords in your posts….ect.

    But the biggest reason is that with long posts, you can actually say something…and I mean REALLY work an idea out. And from an authority standpoint, who wins?..someone who writes a very thin post on "how to..{fill-in-the-blank} or someone who writes posts that could possibly be the equivalent of what most IMers and bloggers give away as a means to collect email addresses from list building?

    I don't know about you, but I would think that the latter.

    Now, I doubt most people will read my entire post. I have been trying to break it up into chunks with h2 and h3 headers, bullets, pictures and what not though. I figure most will scan over it first…find something that may interest them and read that and then possible scan some more.

    A few may actually scan first, read a blurb and then get hooked (hopefully). I do know that the average time on my site is pretty high though which means that either they are reading or happen to go the bathroom or suddenly have the urge to clean the house right when they get to my page. Whatever it is, I do appreciate it, ya know. In the very least, it makes me feel like my time spent writing is worth it.

  3. fyuh.. another 1 hour reading, and sure I will have to re-read this again.
    great article Leo, as always.

  4. Charles Duggan

    Love the content….come to your site just to read a paragraph at top of page and was loat in all the great info.
    Charles Duggan
    HBnC Design

  5. Thanks bodezy….I don't make it easy, do I?

  6. Thanks Charles, I appreciate you taking the time to read my long winded self, lol.

  7. Griz would be pleased with that whopper of a post.

    I've found that the need for 'remarkable content' varies greatly from niche to niche.

    As you observed, it's easier to make friends and get links if you bring something to the table. Look at political blogging for example in addition to 'make money online' blogging. But, there are other ways to do it that you'll see if you Google on very competitive terms in niches like credit and dieting and those ways generally involve money changing hands. If you can't make friends, buy some, they say.

    On lower competition niches, you can do quite well with $10-30 a day sites that are less than remarkable. The key here is in numbers, more sites, more money, less risk of authority site intrusion on your keywords impacting your earnings.

  8. Hi Frank,

    Seen you around the forums and such…thanks for stopping by and commenting. Like I said in the post, I didn't mean to turn it into a lovefest for Griz (although I love his site b/c of his style of writing). There is a Griz or two (or three) in almost every niche and I have found that these are the guys that garner a lot of respect and authority in whatever market they are in.

    As far as the ultra competitive keywords, I agree with you. It is almost like you need to see what google is ranking highly and mimic the model. And yes, I agree that you need some pretty serious capital to compete for the primary keywords in those markets. (and for those who are reading this comment, the capital can be in thousands per month to stay competitive).

    As far as lower competition niches, I have found that it is very hit and miss, traffic wise. The keyword tools just aren't accurate enough. You end up ranking for something and get little to no traffic in spite of what you see. Of course, there are other methods that you can go through…like using different traffic measurements to guesstimate the traffic or launching a pay per click campaign to verify that the keyword will convert. Then again both cost time and money and there is no guarantee that you will hit.. That is why I love building authority sites…it kind of takes the guesswork out of wondering if you will get traffic. You know you will.

    Anyway, thanks again for stopping by. (I have more to say but my wife is getting impatient…it is Friday…HER day…lol…)

  9. Wow Leo, that was one hell of a post. I must say I agree with you that authority sites will outrank smaller sites just about every time. I think the reason so many people stick with the smaller sites that target long tail phrases is twofold:

    1. Instant gratification. Its much easier to build a quick 5 page site, submit a few articles to EZA to promote it, and quickly see some AdSense clicks or affiliate sales. In just a couple of days you can see money hitting your account. But it takes time to build an authority site that ranks well for competitive keywords. Many people don't want to wait for the payoff.

    2. Because that's what a lot "gurus" teach. There's a good reason for that too. Which ebook do you think will sell better…one that promises to teach you how to build an authority site that makes lots of money but takes a long time and a lot of work to build…or one that promises you can make a few hundred dollars a month really quickly.

    The "gurus" know most people are lazy and aren't really looking to work hard to build a business. They want an easy system they can plug into and start earning cash right away (even if the revenue potential is far less than that of an authority site). And of course it makes the guru look good when his readers successfully follow his system to make $10 a day or whatever he promises.

  10. Wow Leo, that was one hell of a post. I must say I agree with you that authority sites will outrank smaller sites just about every time. I think the reason so many people stick with the smaller sites that target long tail phrases is twofold:

    1. Instant gratification. Its much easier to build a quick 5 page site, submit a few articles to EZA to promote it, and quickly see some AdSense clicks or affiliate sales. In just a couple of days you can see money hitting your account. But it takes time to build an authority site that ranks well for competitive keywords. Many people don't want to wait for the payoff.

    2. Because that's what a lot "gurus" teach. There's a good reason for that too. Which ebook do you think will sell better…one that promises to teach you how to build an authority site that makes lots of money but takes a long time and a lot of work to build…or one that promises you can make a few hundred dollars a month really quickly.

    The "gurus" know most people are lazy and aren't really looking to work hard to build a business. They want an easy system they can plug into and start earning cash right away (even if the revenue potential is far less than that of an authority site). And of course it makes the guru look good when his readers successfully follow his system to make $10 a day or whatever he promises.

  11. Hi Mike, thanks for stopping by…yeah, telling someone that you can start making money "tomorrow" is more alluring than saying maybe in 6 months to a year. The issue isn't really about making money though…it is about building a brand that is synonymous with your market and making more money…that is how I see it anyway…

  12. Reading your post worth the time spent on it. It is the best thing I have done today. Thank you very much for showing a completely new way of looking at building blogs. Thanks for Grizzly for his link to your site which made me discover this site.

  13. hey Leo,
    What is it with you and long posts? :) I agree with you on the importance of remarkable content, but you've got several other nuggets of wisdom buried in this post as well, such as…
    "someone looking for “internet marketing tips” may be less valuable than someone searching for “internet marketing companies“."
    Very good post, just takes a while… a long while… to get through. :) ~ Steve, the trade show guru
    PS. Did you used to have comment luv here?

  14. Thanks for stopping by man…

  15. Hey Steve,

    Yeah, I am a bit long winded, right? I come from the School of Steve Pavlina as far as dense posts are concerned but there are other reasons why I do it that has to do with the search engines and partly because I don't post that often.

    I am finding that most people will hit the same post 2-4 times throughout the week. I am guessing that they get to the page, start scanning….take a chunk in and then leave…come back later to grab some more stuff.

    Comment Luv…I do/did…I am going to have to find out what happened. I like Intense debate but I am getting the impression that it doesn't like to play well with other plug-ins.

  16. Awesome thread.Very very detail explanation, you've given me a few things to do.

  17. Thanks Elvin…I appreciate the visit.

  18. Rob

    Hey Leo,
    I never-ever read long winded posts…until today. I now have a better understanding what needs to be done to make my blog and static website more successful and thank you for that. I'll return often.

    A quick question: I use the Google Keyword Tool but have never seen a page that shows estimated CPC unless I'm setting up an AdWords campaign. I see "advertiser" competition and a green bar chart but no actual $$$. Even when I clicked the link you provided in your post. Is that a subscription-only feature ?

  19. Leo

    Hi Rob, thanks for the compliment (and the comment)…to answer your question, there are filters that you add and remove after you do a keyword search….

    1. Type in your keyword and the captcha

    2. Once the results are shown, you should see something that says show columns to display…

    3. In the drop down window find show estimated average CPC (or something to that effect)

    4. Add it your filters….

    I should add that what most people do not get is that the average CPC has to do with organic search ads…not the content network (just in case you are thinking of adding adsense blocks based purely on high paying keywords). The content network ads will, in most cases, have a much lower average.

  20. Thanks for the great post….That's right I guess Google likes to see a lot of good quality links to a site to put up here in front of the SERPs.

    another great resource for learning about link building is:
    ultimatelinkbuildingreport.com good source of info, too.

  21. 1tu

    I agree with most of what you are saying about building authority sites. However, what do say about creating many small mini sites as a defense against the black hole, volatile nature of SEO?

    With authority sites, you are 1 Google pimp slap away from having your traffic and income disappear over night. Presumably, with many small mini sites, not all of them will be affected by a Google slap.

  22. Leo

    That isn’t really as true as you think. Authority sites actually have some advantages that mini-sites don’t. For one, link velocity becomes a non-factor. Also, you can add more shady link building profiles without the fear of a slap BECAUSE of your trust rank with the search engines.

    Diversification is a good strategy though BUT you will likely never get to the point of gaining 1000’s of daily visitors, site wide links, and all in all greater credibility.

  23. 1tu

    I get what you are saying. However, IMHO the possibility combined with the probability of getting google slapped is to risky for my taste to rely on google for traffic without taking proactive, risk mitigating actions.

    Here is a link to a well known SEO who’s homepage stopped getting indexed because of something called proxy hacking: google slapped

    Later on that same sight got href=”http://www.stomperblog.com/marketing/stompernet-going-natural-30/”>google slapped again and had to rely on PPC for traffic.

    He had a authority site and presumedly did things the white hat way, but got slapped nonetheless.

    To each his own. I just find intolerable the idea of being at google’s or any search engines mercy.

  24. Leo

    Thanks for the link. I understand where you are coming from and as you say…to each their own…it is really never a good idea to put all your eggs in one basket…this goes for article marketing, SEM, PPC, or list marketing. However, internet marketing is so much more any of these things. Most people focus most of their efforts on one of these and hold their breath, hoping for the best. Better marketers understand that the internet part of marketing is just rudimentary….it is easy…the harder part is figuring out the business and metrics side of the equation.

    The delivery isn’t really the problem. I think I once heard a direct marketer say that he didn’t understand why so many people kept asking about how to get traffic. To paraphrase him, “…you build an ad and then find a place to post it where your target market is at”.

    Just to use an example, if you could figure out that the LCV (lifetime customer value) for each person you sold to was say $120 per year for 2-3 years once you got them, wouldn’t that free you up a bit to be a little more methodical with your marketing if the conversion rate for a PPC campaign cost you $70.00 per conversion? Would you be able to factor that number into organic search if you could estimate the “cost” of a number one ranking for your keyword? Wouldn’t that change how most marketing hobbyists view their campaigns? Would you be willing to go more out on a limb if you knew that by offering a bump offer on the backend, your margin would drop from .63% to .38%?

    I am kind of ranting here but the bottom line is if you are building a business that relies solely on one other business, in the end you aren’t being proactive, you are being reactive.

    On a side note, I appreciate your input…you are really getting me to think..

  25. 1tu

    I think I once heard a direct marketer say that he didn’t understand why so many people kept asking about how to get traffic. To paraphrase him, “…you build an ad and then find a place to post it where your target market is at”.

    I agree. It has always given me pause when people write on forums that their business is nothing without SE traffic.

    Would you be able to factor that number into organic search if you could estimate the “cost” of a number one ranking for your keyword?

    It accrued to me that I may have come across as anti search engine traffic in my previous comments. That is not exactly the case.

    BTW, I would be willing to go out on a limb. In any event, it is smart to diversify your traffic sources.

    I am kind of ranting here but the bottom line is if you are building a business that relies solely on one other business, in the end you aren’t being proactive, you are being reactive.

    On a side note, I appreciate your input…you are really getting me to think..

    Here is another interesting article called “Single?” Lawn Signs Conquer the American Landscape

    Let me forwarn that this is an extremely long article. So long infact, that it would make one of your blog post look like a twitter post. But it is a interesting read in my opinion.

    This article contains many tidbits like: 1) what criteria venture capitalist use to evaluate a business model, 2) actions to take if you really want to track down the owner of a domain.

    What is germane to our conversation is the “old school” marketing tactics used in one of the most competitive markets: online dating. Their “old school” marketing tactic is presumed to be effective and quite profitable.

    I am sure it cost a pretty penny to implement the tactic, but that is the cost of doing business. In my opinion, the most valuable aspect of their marketing tactic is it’s complete independence of search engines. Google could disappear tomorrow and it would not hurt them at all.

  26. Can someone help me out here. I’m not sure why the information below equates with the owners of said sites not making much money. Thanks for any help that anyone can offer.

    If you were to muliply the queries times the average cost per click, you would get a fairly broad picture of how much money is flowing through the make money market….$1,336,500. And while this is not an accurate deduction, you can pretty much know that this market may be worth investing in…maybe not. But looking at these numbers would give you the impression that there aren’t many make money sites that are making the owner stinking rich, right?

    Clive’s last blog post..

  27. Leo

    Hi Clive, the number that you are looking at is adsense (I believe). You aren’t accounting for the hundreds of list marketers out OR the websites that aren’t actively advertising on the contextual networks and are relying on SEM to get by…not to mention the social marketers and the a-list marketers out there OR those that are currently pushing MMO products via affiliate management, as well as the vertical markets such as forex, MLM, work at home opps, ect.

    Hope that helps you understand…..

  28. Hi Leo,

    Thanks very much for your reply I really appreciate it.

    Clive’s last blog post..Overheard by Jack

  29. I think the biggest reason that people fail with internet marketing is that they thinks it’s easier than it is. You need to understand basic offline marketing principles and psychology if you’re going to make it online!

  30. matt2257

    Leo,

    Where did you learn about lifetime value, metrics, cost per conversion? Would like to look more into understanding metrics. Like you said, if we took a more methodical approach, and knew on average the cost per conversion, I bet I could grow sales exponentially, but I think lots of IMer’s out there keep throwing at the wall, but never come back to optimize.

    I myself and guilty of that…

  31. Leo

    @ Matt It has been 10+ years of learning and honing. I have always suggested that folks use PPC with real money with at least what they can afford. Using real money will put a little sting into trying to sell something and will either make you better or make you go broke. Most make money folks don’t think in terms of margin but even something as simple as testing backend products with upsells can greatly improve what would be a losing campaign and turn it into a hidden gem.

    As an aside, when you start getting into more and more competitive markets who use PPC, you will notice that the ad itself in a lot of cases is nothing more than a loss leader.

  32. White Guy

    Leo, ive been comming to your blog a few(2-3) times but never dropped a coment… let me tell you that you are even more exciting to read than grizzly! You are my make money online or off teacher without knowing it!

    It is very true what you say – grizzly is a social blogger in combination with seo, answering comments, being friendly and all that stuff. And I find it interesting how many comments grizly gets with his 3k subscribers compared to 120k+ subscribers of darren rowse (around same but with darren lots more subscribers).

    And your predictions have been very good if you didint rewrite this post, because griz did indeed get that #1 spot just when you predicted it as far back as 9 months ago!

    When you compare the make money online terms with internet marketing, your estimations might be flawed a little(i think, probably its just me), woudnt you think that people searching internet marketing are already more aware about adsense and ads and would be less likely to spend money and there would be lower click throuhg rates? than those make money online ads?

    Thanks for the great free lesson!

  33. Leo

    @ White Guy

    Thanks for the compliments. I dunno if I am deserving but thank you. To answer your question, yes, adsense rates would most likely be higher in the make money online niche as the users are usually more likely to be enticed by the ads promising the world. However, as Grizzly found out, when you are dealing with a market that is used to purchasing product online such as the MMO niche and yes, the internet marketing niche, pushing affiliate products will greatly outweigh adsense earnings.

    And if Grizzly was smart (he is a master at SEO and adsense…his marketing prowess may be lagging behind…), he would have already leveraged his **FAME** for bigger bucks. Then again, that would destroy his MO at this point, I guess. At any rate, he is doing pretty good just doing what he is doing, if you ask me.

    Every niche has a different set of rules depending on the market. If you were ranking in the credit card or webhosting niche, it would be absolutely dumb to place adsense on your site since you could make an absolute killing from the affiliate offers. On the other hand, a general fishing or surfing site may do better with adsense. And when it comes to the entertainment market, who could resist those juicy CPA offers for email submits…..

  34. Learning never stops, especially on internet, when inventions are actually growing by every minute. If look only Google – everyday makes us life a little bit happier or (mostly) a bit sad…:)

  35. Darrell

    Hey Leo

    Wow, a another great post and very informative.

    Ok my 2 cents worth. Well maybe 3 cents today…

    I agree that 1 of the keys to dominating any internet marketing arena is to understand your market. I have always looked at the total search results and use G’s keyword tool. However, what I found helpful for me today was looking at the total approx dollar value within a market and I have not done before until you showed me how to connect the dots and make that calculation.

    The other aspect that I found helpful was your focus about for each of us establishing our Unique Selling Point. I have been guilty of this in the past with some sites by adding content that was only ok. Over the past year, I have increasingly been writing good quality content for a number of my sites that I want to have as authority.

    The other interesting point in reading your Grizzly like post (lol) and hopefully helpful for your readers is that internet marketing takes time. Yes, finding smaller less competitive terms is ideal in many cases to make money faster, but that is part of the whole internet mindset problem. People see someone like Griz or Ben or yourself making some good coin and they think, oh slap up a website, put some re-hashed content up and they are now making money. Its like the 1 night stand mindset with no real purpose or intent for a long term commitment. Either way folks, if you want it, you will have to work for it. Or from the Kevin Costner movie – if you build it,they will come. you know that really is true today as it was in the movie many years ago. Build up a quality site and people will find you and pay attention.

    Personally, Leo I have both small type niche sites, but have a few real authority sites, but intend to bring up 2 or 3 more over the next year. But in doing so, the one thing that resonated for me was that I will ensure that on those sites, they will have good long quality (or should I say Remarkable) posts.

    Make it a great day

    Darrell

    P.S. Are you trying to rank for the term remarkable? ok I couldn’t resist (lol)

  36. Leo

    @ Darrell….you are too funny. I obviously didn’t put too much thinking into what this post would rank for. Strangely enough, I rewrote the title of this post, slapped it into a pdf and posted it on scrib’d and a number of other document sites. It ranks for remarkable content although I don’t know how beneficial it is. However, it is a good way to re-source old content and something I think everyone should think about….

  37. Darrell

    Hey Leo

    You know, many people don’t realize that its a very wise and powerful thing to do is to re-source their old content. Hell, even the mighty Ezine Articles has been advising us to do that. Take an old article, re-write and you get some new SEO link juice from it. I do it all the time and usually it turns out pretty good. It gets hard to keep coming up with new and fresh ideas sometimes.

    Later, gotta get back to doing some work.

    Make it a great day or should I say have a remarkable day. Ok I had to just add that one time. me bad..lol

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