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  1. Marcus

    Leo, great post.

    I have struggled with how “direct” to make my sales page copy. I found, in every case, that when I went with stronger language about “results” that I succeeded at a rate of 5 times what I did with “soft copy” and with the same number of returns, which has always been minimal. Soft-sell marketing is more of a sign of a lack of confidence in what you are promoting and sounds simply like you are doing CYA, which the smart people DO see through. I wish the Third Tribe luck, but it is wishful thinking and not much more than teaching people how to make less money with the same effort. In marketing you appeal to the wants and desires of the prospect, not their intelligence. An intelligent person already knows you can lose weight by eating healthy and exercising more. So we know that we no longer need to appeal to their intelligence, do we?

  2. That is a really interesting way of looking at it – and really smart! I really do get tired of the over hyped sales pages and think that we should really consider the way that we word our sales copies.

  3. Surely you could test this scientifically? Produce a page with the hard sales copy, another with the soft sales copy and see which generates the most sales after a three month period?

    All it needs is someone (like you?) to take it on as a project…

  4. Yan

    The only way this will work if they do not rely on search traffic is by marketing their soft copies to like-minded groups.

  5. Leo

    Hey Marcus,

    Sent you an email explaining your question and I agree. I don’t necessarily think people view ad copy as smart or dumb. You grab their attention…make an offer…and if the offer is the potential solution to their problem, they respond. This is regardless of how much hype surrounds the copy. Obviously too much hype could derail conversions….but then again, so could too little.

  6. Leo

    @ Tom,

    So true…especially in the make money online niche. And I think that those types of over hyped sales letter make them the perfect target for what they are saying. But my question is, exactly how soft do you go before you stop seeing results? Like I said in the article, people rationalize why they will purchase something (especially if the purchase is impulsive).

  7. Leo

    @ Silver Rose,

    The problem with testing this would be the ad copy itself. Since my marketing bias is clearly in line with direct response marketing, I can’t imagine doing the “third tribe” copy justice. One of the ways that you could test it is to take the ad copy of the third tribe, change it to another niche (using the same language and marketing triggers they are using) and then test it against a similar direct respond ad. This way, you are taking someone who is an expert in ad copy (copyblogger) and who must be using soft ad copy that is working and pitting it against the tried and true methods.

    But I can already tell, if I was a betting man I would bet the farm on the direct response ad. There isn’t even a strong call to action in their ad.

  8. Leo

    @ Yan,

    If that is the case, then why even bother with ad copy at all? After all, if you aren’t relying on search traffic (which is generally pretty cold traffic), then you are relying on WOM traffic, referral traffic and the traffic you get from your own reach. And I don’t know about their numbers but if you figure that they have 2,000+ members and considering the reach that these guys have amongst bloggers, that number can’t be that good, from a conversion standpoint.

    For instance, on some of my lists, I can pretty much count on a 20%+ conversion rate. I am sure other list marketers will agree with that assessment.

    Between the people who are a part of this, I imagine that they probably have had over 60,000 uniques in the very least, take a peak at what they have to offer. If that is true, do the math. 2,000+ members is terrible by any stretch of the imagination from a conversion rate perspective.

  9. Yan

    @ Leo

    I get their meaning behind this third tribe thing. I mean I was smart to “Ad copies” on the internet before knowing that they were ad copies. A lot of people who are not web savvy know that they must think twice before buying something from a site with yellow highlights.

    But I’m not sure that their third tribe copies will have the necessary pull to convert first time visitors. For this to work, I think they will need to build a platform first. Build a blog, collect faithful readers and sell it to them. I guess like most bloggers are doing now.

    And as to the conversion rates, I’m no list marketer and I’ve only started last year on the “first tribe” way of doing things that I’m learning here, but seeing that they are getting only about 2000 members for the number of readers they all collectively have, their soft copies are not selling too well. Plus I’m seeing a lot of “soft copies” articles lately on their blogs, subtly pointing to the fact that you must join their “tribe” to be a success on the net.

    Anyway I’ve been one of your faithful readers. I’ve decided to leave a little message on your blog from time to time just to show some gratitude for your hard work here.

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